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posted by [personal profile] cathyr19355 at 11:05pm on 15/12/2007 under ,
[livejournal.com profile] esrblog and I just got back from a trip with [livejournal.com profile] pmat and [livejournal.com profile] shakati to see "The Golden Compass," the movie version of the first volume of Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy. There's no need for a cut here, since it's possible to name what's right and wrong with the movie without referring to any plot points at all.

I enjoyed the movie. Visually, the movie was a powerful and surprisingly accurate rendition of the world Pullman describes in the book. The casting was excellent (Nicole Kidman was particularly good in the role of Mrs. Coulter), and the scriptwriters did a wonderful job of compressing the action into movie-length without compromising its flavor.

There's only one problem with Compass. Most of what makes Pullman's novel compelling, or at least interesting, are the motivations of the characters and why they are fighting on the side on which they're fighting. Those motivations are sufficiently complex that they can't be described very well in a movie, and the movie accordingly abbreviates and glosses over a lot of them. The result is a movie that will be powerfully evocative for anyone who's read and enjoyed the book--and cryptic and frustrating for everybody else.

Well, that explains why it's doing so poorly at the box office, at least in the U.S. Sorry, New Line; not all fantasy trilogies are created equal.

[EDIT: In light of [livejournal.com profile] pmat's comment I should probably amend "cryptic and frustrating" to "cryptic, boring, and/or frustrating."]
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posted by [identity profile] fla-sunshine.livejournal.com at 05:10am on 16/12/2007
Aha! I had speculated that the movie must not be comprehensable to those who have not read the book based on the reactions of the people I knew who had already seen it. [livejournal.com profile] jcbemis and I haven't seen it yet, but based on your review, she should enjoy it and I won't get it (unless I get motivated to read the book first).
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 05:56am on 16/12/2007
Yes, I'd say that's exactly correct. Though there is lots of eye candy and some great CGI in the movie, if you like that sort of thing.
 
posted by [identity profile] pmat.livejournal.com at 05:22am on 16/12/2007
I'm in the "haven't read it" group. I wouldn't say I found it confusing or cryptic, just kind of formulaic and boring. Now that I think about it some more, rather like the difference between a story and a history. I understand WHAT happened, just not why I should care.
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 05:57am on 16/12/2007
That's a fair point. However, I was actually thinking of your reaction as akin to finding it "cryptic," because all epics really are the same formula; you need to understand why you should care to enjoy them.
 
posted by [identity profile] fadethecat.livejournal.com at 06:36am on 16/12/2007
Hmm. Now I'm waffling. I was planning on going to see it mostly for the pretty visuals, and not carrying too much that the plot might be cryptic; but "boring" is not a good sign, and while I read the book, I didn't like the book, and recall being repeatedly vaguely confused as to why people were doing anything. So. Hrm. Must ponder this.
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 06:46pm on 16/12/2007
I amended my post to say "boring," because I felt (and [livejournal.com profile] pmat apparently agrees) that if a reader didn't know what had gone on in the book or why it had happened, the reader would wonder why a lot of the action went on or why he/she should care about any of it. However, if you actually *read* the book and didn't like it, you probably won't like the movie much either, because it's fairly true to the book, but with even fewer explanations. The pretty visuals are worth seeing, but you can do that by just waiting for the DVD instead of paying movie prices.

As a side note, I was of two minds about both the book and the movie. On the one hand, I didn't really care much for any of the characters at all. On the other hand, Pullman's fantasy is not, to my mind (though I know [livejournal.com profile] pmat disagrees) quite like any other fantasy I've ever read, and I'm inclined to give it a bit of slack for that reason alone. As [livejournal.com profile] esrblog would say, I admired the world-building behind the story. But then, I read the books as an adult (last year, to be precise). I can't imagine most children finding much to appeal to them, in the movie or the original books, despite the fact that my 10-year-old nephew wants the trilogy for Christmas.
 
posted by [identity profile] fadethecat.livejournal.com at 07:02pm on 16/12/2007
I quite like the worldbuilding, but I had the same problem of not liking the characters. Enough so that I didn't bother reading the third book. Part of the problem, I think, is that what I was willing to give Lyra a pass on during the first book as childish bad habits she'd outgrow in the course of the story, by the second book were being shown as her most useful and stalwart qualities that she should be proud of. Which may be me reading too much into the author's intent, but it did come across that way.
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 09:58pm on 16/12/2007
I think part of what's going on in Pullman's trilogy is that he's more interested in making certain philosophical points about independence of mind and standing up to authority, and less interested in making the characters into people you'd want to actually know in real life. Also, notwithstanding the fact that Pullman has claimed, in at least one interview that I read, to be interested in telling good stories above all else, I don't see the storyline as being the element upon which he concentrates the most in the "Dark Materials" trilogy.
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 02:52am on 17/12/2007
[livejournal.com profile] esrblog wanted me to tell you that he had a hard time trying to follow why people were doing things in the books, too.
 
posted by [identity profile] fadethecat.livejournal.com at 02:57am on 17/12/2007
I'm sort of relieved it's not just me.

Generally I try to stay out of discussions about the books, because nine times out of ten it seems to turn into people who liked the trilogy going on at length about how much more awesome in every possible way they were than (insert any of several different children's fantasy series or books that I deeply love here). So...it's sort of nice to occasionally see that other people read it and did not promptly decide it was the Best Series of All Time. Because when everyone I know disagrees with my assessment of some artwork, I begin to doubt my own opinion.
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 03:56am on 17/12/2007
I understand what you mean. I usually don't have that problem with books, but I sometimes do with movies. Sometimes, I think I'm the only person in my generation with an IQ above 100 who liked the first Porky's movie, or the only person other than myself and [livejournal.com profile] esrblog who enjoyed Howard the Duck.
 
posted by [identity profile] fadethecat.livejournal.com at 04:02am on 17/12/2007
Never seen either! From what I recall of what each is about, I wouldn't like Porky's anyway, but I oughta give Howard the Duck a try. I very dimly recall watching a few minutes of it when I was a child, but nothing beyond "Huh, there's a giant duck walking around and talking in a live-action movie instead of a cartoon. Weird."
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 05:03am on 17/12/2007
Don't bother with Porky's. Since you didn't go to a US high school, you probably wouldn't find it particularly funny anyway. But do look up Howard the Duck--it's snarky, and funny, and has a wonderful scene that's a lot like the grocery store shoot-em-up in Grosse Pointe Blank.
 
posted by [identity profile] howardtayler.livejournal.com at 07:48am on 16/12/2007
The inset story about the girl who uses her truth-seeing to save the rightful king of the armored bears is a good one. It tells well, is very exciting, and is gorgeous to watch.

The rest of the movie feels (to me, and I have not read the books) unmotivated, stale, and boring. It's not quite incomprehensible, but it's certainly a long walk from being satisfying. The ending was so terribly unfinished that I came out of the theater feeling like I'd been ripped off.

I don't really care what the books say or do -- this is a movie that could have stood on its own had the filmmakers bothered to make it do that. Sure, it would have upset fans of the book (I remember being miffed when Jackson left out Tom Bombadil) but it's entirely possible to tell a damn good epic fantasy in 110 minutes without leaving off an actual ending.
 
posted by [identity profile] howardtayler.livejournal.com at 07:49am on 16/12/2007
Case in point -- Stardust. Very different from the book, and yet very satisfying. Thrilling, even.
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 06:36pm on 16/12/2007
Oh, is Stardust very different from the book? Now I'm waffling. I read the book after I heard about the movie, and found it very satisfying. I also thought it told a very filmable story. No harm in renting it anyway, I guess.
 
posted by [identity profile] fadethecat.livejournal.com at 04:06am on 17/12/2007
It is very different in places, especially the ending, but it's still quite good. It's just a different sort of good; a slightly happier ending, some simplification in exchange for a bit more comedy and action, and so forth. I'd still recommend it, though if you're getting it on DVD anyway, you might wait a little longer so that your memory of the book isn't going to be so fresh as to constantly make you compare the two. (I saw the movie four or five years after reading the book, so I had conveniently forgotten many details and thus got to be surprised all over again by even some of the parts that are identical between the two. And certainly by the changed parts.)
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 05:04am on 17/12/2007
Then I may wait to rent it, since I certainly *would* be comparing it to the book, now. Thanks.
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 06:39pm on 16/12/2007
Yeah, this is one instance where sticking too closely to the book was, perhaps, Not A Good Thing. Because the book does end in pretty much the same inconclusive way. (Of course, one could say the same about Fellowship of the Ring, but in both the movie and the book there was more buildup that interested us in the characters, by then.)

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