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posted by [personal profile] cathyr19355 at 12:34am on 08/03/2008 under , ,
I have been reading, with interest, and more than a little bafflement, various tributes to the late Gary Gygax; some written by my friends, and others written by strangers that I've happened to read on the Internet. Why am I baffled? Because I'm not sure where all the praise in these tributes is coming from.

I was in college when the first wave of D&D's popularity hit. I played weekly, for awhile, in a D&D group with [livejournal.com profile] esrblog (a frustrating experience, as the group had nearly a dozen members and, because I was a first-level character, I never got to do anything). And I heard people complain. Regularly. About the problems with the system. About the enormous numbers of D&D guides and handbooks he published that weren't much good, just to turn an extra buck. And about how the system needed overhauling long before it received any, and how the overhaulers should have done a better job than they did.

I've heard it said (by [livejournal.com profile] esrblog, among others) that his real role was in merchandising D&D, that his partners, particularly Dave Arneson, did most of the real creation of the system. I don't know where the truth lies on this front, nor do I care.

I do know that, within a decade or so, other people invented similar types of systems that did what D&D did...better. Chivalry and Sorcery. Empire of the Petal Throne. GURPS. White Wolf. The dungeon crawl concept was translated to the computer as Adventure, Rogue, NetHack, Zork, and probably other variants of which I've never heard. Still later, other people took the concept of D&D, married it to improv theater, and invented Live-Action Role Playing, a type of game I like much better than I ever liked D&D and which I still play when I can.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sorry to hear he's gone. I hate to hear of the deaths of anyone whose works I've grown up with, if only because it reminds me all too painfully that all flesshe is grasse and that someone will be writing my obituary soon enough.

But to me it makes no sense to honor Gygax as fallen geek hero. Even if he had invented D&D alone (which it appears he did not) he did what he did possibly because it was fun, and possibly because he thought it would sell. He certainly did not set out to change the world, or to make life more interesting, even though he ended up spreading memes that have done so. If you believe the Times Online obituary, he found Tolkien boring and didn't give a "hoot" about hobbits.

The tributes bother me, I guess, because they seem pointless, if not exactly hypocritical. Even if he deserved all the praise he is now getting, where was it all when he was alive, and people were bitching because D&D, and later AD&D, was such a mess? Where was the tribute for creating a new type of game while all of TSR's competitors were improving on what D&D did? Why save it all up until now, now that he's finally gone where no human praise can possibly affect him anymore?

Maybe none of that matters. Whatever his faults, and whatever D&D's faults, Gygax spread a new meme, and a good one. D&D, its successors and competitors, are his monument, and they are a much better monument than any belated obituary thoughts could possibly be. They have certainly have had a lot of the kind of positive impacts on geeks, and geekdom, that the tributes to Gygax all cite. Clearly the good Gygax did will not, for once, be buried with his bones.

There is one Gygax tribute that I actually like, because I think it honestly reflects what I know of the man, and what the world saw and said of him during his life. It's Randall Munroe's tribute in today's xkcd comic. "Oh Jesus, he's getting out another rulebook." Indeed. That's a view of Gygax that I can readily believe.
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posted by [identity profile] trebor1415.livejournal.com at 07:01am on 08/03/2008
People love to bitch about what they love. Even those who bitched about the D&D and AD&D rules loved the game.

Gygax, Anderson, and the others who worked on the *early* versions of D&D didn't just create a single game, they created a *type* of gaming. Role Playing games, whether table top, LARPS, or computer based, would not exist at all if it wasn't for Gygax and Arneson.

In many ways Gygax was the "public face" of D&D. He was the co-creator, so his name was on the early books, and he stayed with the company and the game after Arnerson left.

Most of us old-time, die hard D&D geeks have a special fondness in our hearts for the older versions of the game. The original brown books, the first edition of D&D in the "blue box" and the first edition of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons with the demon artwork on the Player's Handbook and Dungeon Master's Guide and the early "dungeon crawl" adventures. Those were the products we loved and the ones Gygax was most involved with.

The later, "write rules about anything and publish it to make a buck" largely came after Gygax left the company. He himself complained and fought against the prolieration of rules for the sake of rules and the direction D&D took right before he left.

As to "why wasn't he recognized when he was alive?" well, he *was.* If you read the tribute thread at Troll Lord games, where Gygax worked last, countless people are relating stories of meeting Gygax, thanking him for creating D&D, and telling him how the game changed their lives. I think that qualifies as "recognized while he was still alive."

I can make a parallal argument, but it won't mean anything to you unless you are a shooter. When Jeff Cooper, the man widely hailed as the creator of the "Modern Technique" of pistol shooting and first instructor to set up a serious civilian shoot school died, the gun community at large went into mourning. There were tributes and stories about Cooper and his legacy everwhere. A few people reacted like you did with, more or less, "What's the big deal?" They didn't understand Cooper's impact on the shooting sports and firearms training world and didn't understand the impact of his death. He was a pioneer in his field, just as Gygax was in his.
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 04:59am on 10/03/2008
Thank you for addressing my "why didn't he get credit/praise from people while he was still around?" point. I will take your word that Gygax had gamers come up and praise him. I know from experience that people, including gamers, also often criticized him, sometimes harshly. The same is true of [livejournal.com profile] esrblog, as can be seen by following Slashdot for a few weeks will demonstrate. I will only raise one quibble. It's not the tributes from the gamers/Gygax fans that really baffle me; it's the tributes from people whose interests I know to go beyond gaming and seem to think of Gygax as a sort of geek hero in general. That makes no sense to me.

Thanks for writing, though. You, as well as the others who commented, have given me more to think about.

 
posted by [identity profile] tlatoani.livejournal.com at 01:31pm on 08/03/2008
Before he and Arneson wrote D&D, role-playing games *didn't exist*. Without them, I wouldn't have the hobby (and sometimes profession) that I've followed for my entire life, or many of the friends that I've met through it. My life would be very different, and I suspect much poorer.

Even though I haven't played D&D itself in years and years, the hobby is a continuing and important part of my life. And it would never have existed if not for those two.
 
posted by [identity profile] blue-duck.livejournal.com at 03:16pm on 08/03/2008
I never paid much attention to Gygax himself because I was part of a new generation in which lots of people were coming up with roleplaying stuff and D&D wasn't the only thing out there. But I did play D&D, and it was one of my first introductions to geekdom. I've got to agree with Tlatoani here - no matter what the flaws, the guy was reponsible for the first idea along a theme that took off and affected a lot of people. The first version of nearly anything's not going to be anywhere near perfect - the guy was pioneering and couldn't have been expected to get everything right. People needed to start using it to discover the bugs. Whether he meant to or not, he provided a framework on which others have built more than he probably ever imagined possible at the beginning. I really don't know what kind of person he was, or whether any of the tributes that speak about him in such glowing terms are warranted, but it's typical when someone dies to expound on the best or worst of their lives. I say let the guy have his 15 minutes of adulation; if he's like anyone else I've ever heard of who came up with something good, he was a human being and flawed with mixed motivations for everything he did, but he *did* come up with something good. So hey, good on him.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 08:54am on 09/03/2008
I think all of the above responses are accurate as far as they go, and reply to several of Cathy's queries. However, there is another reason. We are simply using him and his passing as a benchmark for ourselves. As games, we have passed out of the first age. When I got the news, the word that kept coming to mind was "generation".

When all is done, mourning, eulogizing, etc, often aren't an expression of the dead and their life. certianly, that's part of it, but rather more important is the celebration for the needs of the living.

So, perhaps the better question is, "why are we using Gygax's death and a moment to reflect on geekdom, and what would we like our next Age to look like?
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 05:02am on 10/03/2008
I think that you have maybe answered my biggest question. The geeks who are not solely gamers are feeling Gygax's death because it reminds them of how their lives have changed since (perhaps because of?) D&D. Apparently they are feeling the wind of their own mortality because of his death rather more strongly than I am.

I like your question, though I think a slightly better, though related, question is "What has geekdom become since D&D was first published, and what do we as geeks want to make of it?"
 
posted by [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com at 04:53am on 10/03/2008
I see that one factor that I failed to consider in writing my response is that my own view of Gygax is colored by two factors which go against the grain of majority opinion.

One is that I failed to take account of how strongly my view of all the eulogies of Gygax is colored by my belief that there is an issue as to what extent he, as opposed to his partners, deserves the credit for the invention of D&D. (I don't have any issues, in contrast, about giving him credit for marketing and thereby spreading D&D, but that's not what his eulogists are mostly giving him credit for.) I acknowledged in my original post that I was not prepared to argue the point. Since I am still not prepared to/have no interest in/doing so, I must in all conscience withdraw that particular objection.

In addition, I have a bit of [livejournal.com profile] blue_duck's issue re: being part of a world where "lots of people were coming up with roleplaying stuff and D&D wasn't the only thing out there." I'm old enough to remember the creation of D&D and played it when it *was* the "only thing out there" but I wasn't, at that time, impressed by it; rather, it was later improvements/refinements/spins on the original concept that grabbed my imagination. It's a different situation from Magic: The Gathering, where the original game continues in many ways to be a stronger game than subsequent games that used the CCG concept; D&D really isn't as good as a lot of its competitors. Still, Gygax did spread the meme of the roleplaying fantasy game, and that clearly matters a lot more to many people than it ever did to me.

My second objection was only answered by an unidentified commenter and
[livejournal.com profile] trebor1415, which I will answer separately to avoid being nailed by the number of characters in comments limit.

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